Health Food Scam: Colloidal Silver, Part Two

Alonzo’s note: Rosemary Jacobs posted a reply to the initial blog posting on the subject of colloidal silver. Instead of including it in the comments, I have taken it upon myself to give her message its own blog posting. I have taken the liberty of adding paragraph divisions and a few other modifications. Ms Jacobs is welcome to post to this blog on this topic whenever she wishes.

This blog was brought to my attention and I was asked to comment on it.

I will try to be brief but that will be difficult since I have been researching silver and argyria for decades since I have had argyria for over 50 years. I have had a website warning people about the silver scam for over 10 years. Please look at it and contact me privately if you want references or more info.

While Alonso’s blog is excellent, there are a few errors. Silver was discontinued because it didn’t work and it discolored lots of people. Silver like alcohol, peroxide, clorox, etc. is a disinfectant that kills many pathogens on contact but not inside people who ingest it like an antibiotic does. There are approved topical drugs that contain silver. Without pulling the citation from Ontario, I believe that the authors themselves concluded that the evidence does not actually demonstrate that silver was the cause of the man’s injuries and death. I and most researchers do not think that the large body of evidence available indicates that silver causes other problems besides argyria, gray skin, although it is very possible that it may in some people but not most. No one knows how many people really ingest silver or how much they ingest since the industry is not regulated.

Lab analysis has shown that silver supplements as well as other virtually unregulated “dietary supplements” often carry inaccurate labels. Some silver supplements have no detectable amount of silver. Others have more or less than the label indicates. Neither are the labels correct about the type of silver in them, but that is irrelevant since there is a great deal of evidence indicating that silver and only silver in any form or all by itself is what causes argyria. What is not known is the toxic amount, the amount that will discolor the average person. Silver forms strong chemical bonds with tissue throughout the body including that in the skin. It isn’t the protein that some silver supplements are bound to that does this. It is the silver which many salesmen refer to as “pure silver”. And large particles don’t get “trapped” anywhere.

If salesmen had an understanding of basic chemistry, they’d know that. There are many cases of argyria caused by silver supplements. There are attorneys getting out-of-court settlements on the behalf of those with the courage to admit that they have been conned and hire an attorney to represent them in a timely fashion, before the statutes of limitations expire. But unfortunately, aside from Jones & Karason I only know of one other person who has admitted publicly that she got argyria from a silver supplement. The others are terribly embarrassed. They feel like idiots. As one said to me, “I feel so stupid. I believed the salesman who told me it was nontoxic and that I could take as much as I wanted. I believed him till I turned gray!” Many people who got argyria from supplements took far less than Paul did and many followed the labels on the products they were sold. (This goes for both commercial brands and home brews made from kits.)

There isn’t a shred of evidence that ingesting silver in any form or amount offers any health benefits whatsoever. There is no evidence in the med. lit. and argyric people have the same health problems as other people and we die at the same average age as everyone else. I was told by an ABC producer who interviewed me and Karason that Oprah got Paul to have a physical which showed that he has prostate cancer. I haven’t verified that, but I had breast cancer at the age of 42 in 1984 even though according to many silver promoters cancer is one of the ton of diseases that silver in our bodies is supposed to prevent and cure.

Rosemary
rosemary@rosemaryjacobs.com
http://rosemaryjacobs.com/

My Ultimatum to the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)

If you go to the website of the Animal Liberation Front Press Office, you’ll find posts reporting and glorifying various “visits” by ALF activists to targeted institutions. Most of these include arson, graffiti, spray-painting homes, vandalizing vehicles, etc.

To be completely fair, no human or animal has ever been physically harmed in an ALF attack. All the damage done has been to inanimate objects (i.e. cars, homes, businesses) and this is in keeping with ALF’s stated goal to avoid harm to all living beings.

While many of us are squeamish about laboratory testing on animals, the simple Truth is that animal testing has yielded many benefits for humans. Medications for all types of diseases and numerous medical procedures (e.g. blood transfusions, organ transplants) were first tested on animals before any human patient ever underwent such a procedure. The simple fact that many people are alive today, who might otherwise have died, shows the value of these procedures validates the animal testing that was undergone during the research stages.

Animal testing is still needed, though there are some out there who make the claim that it is an unreliable or outdated science. The total number of animals currently being used in labs across the USA is dwarfed by the sheer number of ducks we eat in this country, for example. That’s ducks by themselves and we could make a similar comparison to the total number of lab animals versus the number of cows, pigs, chickens, etc that are killed for meat everyday in America. Yet, groups like the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) continue their campaign of terror against research labs and the people who work in them. Researchers have been threatened, their homes vandalized, false rumors have been circulated about them and so on. It takes a lot of courage to work in an animal testing lab these days.

In light of recent attacks at UC Berkely and UC Irvine, I have decided to issue an ultimatum to the Animal Liberation Front and its supporters. Here goes:

Dear ALF & Friends,

I see that you have been busy vandalizing homes and businesses, leaf-letting buildings, sending threatening letters, etc to people that are involved, even in the most peripheral way, in animal testing. I am certain that you do this because you think animal testing is bad and you want it to stop. I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise, because people who carryout these “visits” are usually True Believers who couldn’t have their minds changed by me or anyone else.

I understand that you don’t want animals to die by human hands for any reason and you would never allow yourselves to be the cause of an animal’s death.

Since the passage of laws and the threats of prison time has not deterred some of you from bombings, arson and vandalism, I have decided to try another method of convincing you to Cease & Desist your attacks on animal testing labs.

See this rabbit?

Cute, isn’t he?

Well, guys and gals of ALF, I have decided that every time you people go out to bomb something, burn something down or send threatening letters/phone calls, I am going to travel to a local farm and pay for a nice, fat, juicy rabbit. This rabbit will then be killed, skinned, gutted, hacked into pieces and wrapped. I will then take this rabbit home, cook it and then eat it.

But, maybe I couldn’t find a rabbit one day. What to do?

No problem.

See this calf?

You know, it’s been a long time since I had a nice serving of tender veal. Oh, yeah! Makes my mouth water, just thinking about it. I’m think that, if I can’t get a rabbit one day that I might head over to the supermarket and get myself some calf’s liver. My mom used to make the best veal for dinner and I am sure I could figure-out the recipe from memory.

Naturally, if you guys keep bombing, burning and otherwise terrorizing people, somebody is going to notice that somebody (i.e. me) has suddenly taken liking to rabbit meat or veal or goose liver pate, etc and start stocking it regularly at my local supermarket. If I can get enough people to follow-along, then more rabbits will be killed for their meat and more calves slaughtered for their livers. Heck, even goose liver could go down to a reasonable price with the increase in demand.

Now,  I normally don’t eat a lot of rabbit, veal or goose liver. Not out of any moral objections, just because I got tired of eating rabbit all the time at my grandfather’s house when I was a kid. He took me out hunting and that’s how I learned to butcher rabbits myself. I got tired of rabbit meat after eating so much of it. Veal was something we only ate on special occasions and goose liver was too high-falootin’ for our dinner table.

But, I am willing to break my habits if it means ending your reign of terror on animal research labs and their employees. Rabbit meat is pretty cheap and easily found around here, so I’ll stick with rabbit for awhile, especially since I learned so many ways to prepare it.

For every attack on an animal research lab or an employee of same, a rabbit, calf or goose will pay for your actions with its life.

So, if you don’t set fire to a lab, spray graffiti on a wall, set-off a bomb or whatever, the bunnies will live.

If you decide to go ahead with your terrorism campaign, cute little bunnies will die and it will be your fault!

These are my demands. Ignore them and bunnies will pay the consequences.

Their lives are in your hands.

List Of Ex-Scientologists Who Have Spoken Out

This list will be a work in-progress and names will be added or removed as more information becomes availble. Some of the information contained in this list may prove to be inaccurate, so corrections will be made. New names will be added as more information comes my way.

My thanks to Anonymous for compiling this list and allowing me to repost it here. This information is presented for the sake of educating the public. Here is the list in its current form. I have made a few spelling corrections.

ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING…SCIENTOLOGY DOESN’T WORK

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Grace Aaron – missing son who disconnected, Religious Shunning Public Access TV 2003
Ken Aaron -missing son that disconnected
Paul Adams -ex Sea Org, 1972-1996 AOSHUK, ITO, aka DumbOldfart, his story
Vinay Agarwala (SO 1971 -1983 Flagship Apollo, Flag Ft. Harrison, Clearwater
Bob Ainsworth -resignation letter to COS, http://www.truthaboutscientology.com…n/issue01.htmlname listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Peter Alexander )TVII left after 20 years, Interview
Gene Allard
Armorel Allen -resignation letter to COS, name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Amy Allen -ex Sea Org, her story
James Anderson , left after 25 years,Ex AOSH ANZO DIR I+R / MAA, Auditor, Patron of IAS, declared , ESMB
Steve Andrews-mentioned in Chris Stone’s book , link
Mike Argue – left after 12 years, musician, in band Chester,Class Four Ned,OT VII,auditor,staff,Toronto,story Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Gerry Armstrong -Hubbard’s Household Manager, RPF and RPF’s RPF, testimony
Jon Atack -left after 9 years,NOTs, Cl II, wrote A Piece of Blue Sky
Brian Auker -resignation letter to COS, name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Vickie Aznaran – left after 15 years

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Ildiko Bajnoczi Former scientologist, reached OT 8, story
Kim Baker -Why Scientology calls its critics “Nazi’s”,
Jean-Luc Barbier
Debra Barnes – OT VIIInterview
Greg Barnes – OTVII Interview
Rizwan Basha – left after 10 yeqars, ESMB
Greg Bashaw – in for 20 years,deceased,SUICIDE, his story his story
Rex Basterfield
Chuck Beatty – left after 27 years, ASI computer Operations Office, his story Helps others now,1-866-XSEAORG
Jim Beebe – worked for the old CAN after leaving – deceased, Interview
Heidrun Beer-declared, Austria,suffered from harassment and lawsuits, his story
Jason Beghe -actor, spoke in Germany,story and vids
Elliot Benjamin PHD, left after 2 years,wrote “A Comparison Of Scientology And Judaism” 1980, 1977 Pastoral counselor”(auditor)Boston, his story
Phillip Bennett Wearne -Board of Inquiry Into Scientology
Burt Benz-YouTube video, Why Scientology Wasn’t For Me
Magne Berge -Norwegian Sued the Church of Scientology and won
Arnaud Berthemet -video
Isabelle Berts -video
Mylene Beyer -France-ex-sea org, left after 21 years (french radio interview)
Sylvain Bilodeau , Canada (TV interview)
Ludis Birss -Panorama video
Michael Blasingame -ESKMB
Maureen Bolstad -
Frank Bonora- left after 13 years, his story
Andrew Boone-Las Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists Express Bitterness
Stuart Boote – 5th in Command at Poole Mission (UK)
Martin Boothby-St. Hill UK, left after 2 years, INTERESTING STORY!
Tony Bosnakoudis-Greece Vs Scientology
Mary Ann Bosnos – her story
Roger Boswarva Chaplain London and PES 1967-8, went under cover for the GO 1969-82, Declaredhis story
Martine Boublil -held against her will
Jeanne-Marie Boucher -story
Scott Bradley – fmr Director of Income at the Melbourne Day org, ESMB testimony
Kevin Brady-left after 5 years,HQS/Purif,Boston Day, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Patricia Braine -left after 15 years
Larry Brennan -Watch Dog Committee- Bloghis story and vids
Stacy Brooks Young -GO/OSA staffer, left after nearly 15 years, Declaration
Andrew Brown -resignation letter to COS,name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Tonja Burden Former scientologist, spent five years in scientology as a teenager , Affidavit
William S. Burroughs , American writer-deceased-Burroughs on Scientology

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Claudine Cabay Chatel -Book: Des Pas Dans Ma Mémoire, link
Vernon D. Cain Jr.-story in letter
Diana Canova -celebrity,link to interview
Brian Canup
David John Carter – ex-Sea Org member
David Cecere-story
Isabel Hsin-Yu Chang- her story
Jairus Chegero Godeka- read this story!
Tory Christman -left after 30 years-OT VII, EX-SEA ORG, EX OSA, MANY INTERVIEWS -her storyInterviews too numerous to list
Julie Christofferson Titchbourne -sued the Church and Hubbard for 43-million
Neil Clark , Staffer and Sea Org. Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Chris Cloutier- ex Sea Org, Exposing the Con of Scientology
Kathy Cochran -Kathy Hubbard (maiden) Plecas (1st married name) Dawson (2nd married name) Cochran In from 1987-2008, her story ESMB
Christie Collbran – ex CMO Africa-declared
Chris Collbran – ex CO CMO Africa -declared
David Cook – OTVII, left after nin yearsInterview
Louise Cook
Bertrand Coquoz – link
Alex Cornell -SP Times Article1980
Bent Corydon -the former head of the Riverside mission, Former scientologist of 20 years and Author of “L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman
Enrico Costantini -1991-2003 Italy, Testomy in Italian
Elizabeth Ann Cox- her story,Opportunity Costs and Scientology
Kevin Creech – some time on staff, mostly public-in for 29 years, left in 2004
Agnès Creton -speaks of divorce
Alex Cronin -OTII,resignation letter to COS, name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
John Cullison-left after 10 years,ARC Straightwire, Pro TRs,University Way / Burien,Seattle, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
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Birgitta Dagnell Harrington -Former head of the Church of Scientology’s OSA for Europe , testimony
Robert Dam
Robert Dardano -former member of the Guardian Office
Caspar de Rijk – former founder and director of Scientology Netherlands, Mutiny A Dutch Scientology Orginization
Suzette M. Dearing
Bill De Carle- Declared,his story
Laura DeCrescenzo
Sue Deutscher – her story
Peter Devaney Jr.- Sea Org , left in 1982
Bill Devlin -resignation letter to COS,name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Tom DeVocht -oversaw the church’s spiritual headquarters in Clearwater
Mike DeWolf -pretty sure this is a psuedo name?
Ron (Hubbard) DeWolfe – Hubbard’s son!-Executive Secretary,”Better than 90 percent of what my father has written about himself is untrue.” , his story
Francis G. Diamond- Clearwater Sun Article
Roberto Diaz Argentina , video
Stace Dieckman-was Albuquerque Org staff, his story
Anke Dievenkorn – staff,CLEAR, left after 10 years-her story
Jim Dimcalci – Hubbard’s Medical Officer
Kima Douglas-Interview
Jean-Paul Dubreuil , wrote book,’Les Coulisses de la Scientologie’
Jeff Dubron -Panorama Video
John Duignan – Sea Org 20 years Wrote The Complex
Eric Dumas De Laroque -video
Rich Dunning -ex-Deputy to the Executive Director, Church of Scientology of Buffalo , [URL="http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/dunning1.html"]his story[/URL

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Susanne Elleby -1988 to 1990, Flag in Clearwater, "missionaire" in Copenhagen
Hana Eltringham Whitfield -left after 20 years-Ship's Captain, Deputy Captain, Commodore's Staff Aide, Deputy Commodore of Hubbard's Three Ships, and part of GO
Dennis Erlich -Former high-ranking scientologist,Sea Org, RPF, left after 15 years, exerpts from his story
Juan Esteban Cordero- filed case against COS for "progressive mental conditioning''. He spent more than $167,000 on Scientology-related courses.
Pierre Ethier -Class XII Auditor. Still practices and audits
Marion Evoy - former Canadian head of Scientology's Guardian Office, testified in court against Scientology in 1992, her story

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Steven Fishman , incredible story. Website and wrote The Lonesome Squirrel
Richard Ford - Leaving Scientology
Vickki Ford-OTVII, left after nine yearsInterview
Peter Forde - ex Sea Org, his story
Gerhard Förster
Nancy Foster-left after 20 years, Exposing the Con of Scientology
Martin Foster-left after 28 years, Clear Sunshine rd, South Africa, Scientology - Through the Door Interviews
Robin Fox- left after 21 years,Auditing, Dianetics, L. Ron Books, Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Shiona Fox Ness
Bill Franks -Former international executive director of the Church of Scientology
Franklin Freedman
Roxanne Friend -She was led to believe that Scientology could cure her cancer, her story-deceased
Gary Fry - Spent ₤21,000 under the influence of TR drills, got refunded!
Daniel Fumagalli - 1984 to 1989, Zürich, Copenhagen, LA, Commodore's Messenger Org

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Chip Gallo-left after 12 years,Clear,Staff Status II, fully hatted Executive Director, PTS/SP Course, Key to Life, Life, Orientation Course, other admin training,FCDC, Scientology -Through The Door Interviews
Maria Pia Gardini -OT VIII, Class 9 AuditorInterview
Stewart Gardner-left after 10 years,BSM and other basic courses/Communication release,NY, Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Sylvana Garritano
Carol Garrity - left after 5 years, Affidavit,Las Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists Express Bitterness
Dan Garvin -left 25 years in the Sea Org, 10 years in OSA,his story
Bob Geary -dentist, scammed by Sterling Management Akron Beacon Journal Interview
Robert Geary -Dentist
Dodie Geary - held for 2 weeks
Dorothy Geary -held against her will, scammed bySterling Management, Akron Journal Interview
Thea Geenberg , class 6 trained old OTVII, deceased
Madeleine Genesse , Canada (TV interview) deceased
Sheila Gentry : 1975-1986, Sea Org @ AOLA, LRH Comm, Ethics Officer, staff member, public
Dr. Frank Gerbode -1977-1981,former head of the Palo Alto mission
Gitta Gerken -Hamburg, her story- Tormented By Scientology
Petra Goepfert-ex-Sea org,CLO EU in 1986 and left in 2001,story ESMB,full name appears on her file
Peter Gilham - Class VIII, OT VII, was with LRH at La Quinta- KESQ-TV Interview with Nathan Baca
Doreen Gillham -ex-commodore messenger,Panarama Video
Ron Glazier-left after 40 years light contract,VA and Clear,Hollywood, Los Angeles, Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Mike Goldstein -,SU/Special Unit or WDC/Watchdog Committee/Hubbard's Finance Controller, his story
Roger Gonnet
Jennifer Stewart Gorman -raped by top Scientologist supervisor- New York Post Online Edition: news Scientology Sex Assualt Nightmarestory
Tommy Gorman - ex staff, -story
Aaron Gottfried Canadian. book : "The psychiatrist who cured the scientologist", video interview
David Graham -ex-Sea Org member
Bernard Green -Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Lloyd Greenburg -class 6 trained, old OTVII, deceased
Martha Greene (Creech) -left after 30 years,Cl IV, Clear, some time on staff-mostly public,Stevens Creek, Mt View, Flag, Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Jean-Jacques Greneron - story
David Griffin -left after 15. Sea Org, lifetime IAS,CC, LA Day,and ASHO,his story
Pete Griffith , 3 years on staff and 3 years as mission ED in UK, YT channel
Alan Groothius -resignation letter to COS, name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Paul Grosswald - story
Mingyiu Gyatso- left after 10 years, Life Repair,Purification Rundown, Dianetics, Grade I, various admin coursesScientology - Through the Door - Interviews

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Wilfried Handl -Austria 28 years in, formaly high ranking, wrote a book, a lot of TV, some recitals, quote
Joe Harrington - deceased, his story
Ed Hattaway - Chiropractor-1992-1995
Tara Hathaway
Jeff Hawkins -in for 35 years -top level- Int. Base Hemet
Janice Hayward -sued the Church of Scientology
Marc Headley
Claire Headly
Michael (Mike) Henderson - left after 34 years,Flag trained Cl. IV, OT 8, IAS Patron,FLaghis story, also has vids on YouTube, Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Nan Herst Bowers -left 20 years, Declared, link to interview
Dallas Hill , born into Scn, ex-Sea Org 98-99 Snr HCO CCInt; 99-02 Snr HCO Int, his story
Bruce Hines -Sea Org, left after 30 years, Interviews
Jack Horner - Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Lance Hoskins -staff Auckland and ex Sea org,worked at various orgs,Flag Service Rep. for ANZO in 1989,Radio interview with Mike Ferris
Yolanda Howell - Sea Org, HEART BREAKING STORY
Isabel Hsin Yu Chang
Gaby Hubeny -left after 12 years
Werner Hubeny - left after 12 years
Martin Hunt -left after 2 years,his story
Molly Hutchinson - her story
Moira Hutchison -SeaOrg East Grinstead, RPF,kidnapped her story

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Ariane Jackson -attained highest available level, OT8. Left after 17 years , her story
Håkan Järvå Swedish ex OTIII,Left after 14 years,TV,papers,works as a pysch
Rebecca Jessup-left after 21 years,Class VIII, did to OT3 'in', NOTs 'out', NY,London St Hill, ASHO,AOLA , AOSHDK, Apollo,Denver, Ft HarrisonScientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Mary Johnston -sued the Church of Scientology, settled out of court ,her story
Patrick Jost
Pierre Junqua -video

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Charlotte Kates -ex Sea Org, her story
Robert Kaufman - How I Joined Scientology/Dianetics and Became Superhuman
Barbara Kaye - Hubbard's girlfriend while he was married,TV Interview Secret Lives of L. Ron Hubbard
Casey Kelly -Scientology's finances and recruitment at Flag,spoke at 1982 Clearwater Hearings, vid #1, vid #2
Bryon Kingsley Eckert
Vivien Krogman - Ex-SeaOrg kid-YouTube Born Into Scientology
Margie Kuentz Hoffman- left after 12 years,teacher,recruiter and third in command at Harry Palmer's Center for
Creative Learning, Elmira, NY,story

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Renzo Lancia --mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics1972
Don Larson
Bud Lee -Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Susan Lentsch ex-staff, disconnected, heartbroken mother
Arnie Lerma -joined Sea Org at 16 years old. His Anti Sci Website
Caroline Letkeman -left after 24 years,Affidavit
Peter Letterese
Lorna Levett -former head of the Church of Scientology in Calgary, Article in Calgary Herald
Hank Levin ,editor of "The Free Spirit" magazine, deceased
Bobby Lipton - brother to actress Peggy Lipton, mentioned in article
Natasha Lobitsch -Sea Org kid , Interview
Jim Logan - ESMB
Genny Long -staff Sydney,Auditor, Radio Interview with Mike Ferris
Raul Lopez- court case
Ruth Lorenzen -left after 15 years, her story
Karsten J. Lorenzen
Chris Lyman

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Alex M - 3 years in, one year on staff, 9 months in Berlin, 2 and a half months in San Francisco, German TV ZDF and XenuTv interviews
Vicky Mackey - left after 26 years.OT VII, IAS Patron, Cornerstones. Ex staff
Kevin Mackey -left after 26 years, OT VII, IAS Patron, Cornerstones. Ex staff
Aude-Claire Malton (France, plaintiff in May 25, 2009 trial)her story
Brian Mandigo- FCDC Staff: November 1997-July 1998
FCDC Public: July 1999-August 2000, Currently Protesting CoS; aka AnonSparrow
Nancy Many - former president of the Celebrity Center and under cover operative for the Guardian’s Office, OSA and RTC, testified in the Lisa McPherson trial in 2002-testimony
Anne Marie Dunning -ex-EO/HCO Executive Secretary, Church of Scientology Buffalo-her story
Greg Marlowe , 1975-1978, Affidavit
Noel Matarandirotya -his story
Volney Mathison- INVENTOR OF THE E-METER!, his story
Darren May , public and staff. left after 10 years
Scott Mayer Former senior-executive scientologist, left after 12 years -deceased
Ted Mayett-left after 13 years,Student Hat, Purif, Method-One Co-Audit, many basic courses,,Las Vegas,Nevada. Both orgs, Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Julie Mayo- Her Experience with LRH-
David Mayo
Jess McCabe-left after 1 year, TRs & Objectives/HDA, London, Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews
Mike McClaughry - Guardian's Office,his story
Virginia McClaughry -OTVII,her story
Brown McKee -SP Times Article 1982
Mary L McKinnon - Staff,New York Org, ASHO and Boston Org between 1968-'78?.
John McLean
Nan McLean -Ontario. In the 1970's she was a major target for Scientology Fair Game
John McMaster - FIRST CLEAR, Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Stacey Michelle Wentling - left after 14 yrs, Staff WPB Msn '91-92. Div 6 MM Org '92-95, her story
Melissa Miller
Troy Miranda
Jenna Miscavige -ex Sea Org niece of David Miscavige-Exscientologykids.com,Numerous Interviews
Douglas Henry Moon -"]Board of Inquiry Into Scientology
Brendan Moore
Morton Morvis -mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972
Pertti Muhli , story
Reverend Murray Luther Scientology insider, 30 years in

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Tanja Neujahr – EX-SeaOrg kid-YouTube: Bori n Into Scientology XENUTV
Gloria Neumeyer OTVII declared SP, Interview with the Herald
Sara Northrup – Hubbard’s second wife, spoke about about being tortured by Hubbard
Frank Notaro -assault and imprisonment, excerpt from Madman Or Messiah

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Adelaide Oakley-left after 3 years,harrassed for 15 years, Clear (assumed past life clear)/MCSC,Adelaide Day Org, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Helen O’Brien – Cos Exec, wrote, Dianetics In Limbo
Bill Offerman-quoted in ABC News Interview
Frank Oliver
Sean Ostler
Martin Ottmann – Sea Org
Mark Owen Plummer – Former Sea Org executive, left scientology after 14 years-his story

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Tom Padgett -Sea Org, target of fair game practice after he left. Interview
David Palter -class IV auditor Toronto
Catarina Sandström Pamnell-
Bobby Parker-left after 4 years,M-1 Co-Audit,ASHO, Los Angeles, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Michael Pattison -OT8 scientologist, left after 24 years, his story
Creed Pearson -left after 26 years, victim of disconnection, his story
Rod Pearson
John Peeler (“BTs2Free”) Former high ranking scientologist
Bob Penny -left after 13 years -co-founder of Factnet,deceased, his story Affidavit
Bruce Perkins -mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972
Elena Peshevska-left after eight years, staff,Course Supervisor and Treasury Secretary,Skopje Mission, Macedonia from 2000-2008
Dick Peterson-Las Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists Express Bitterness
Janie Peterson -former member of the Guardian Office,Las Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists Express Bitterness Dini Petty -Canadian talk show host
Patty Pieniadz – left after almost 30 years, her story
Monica Pignotti ex Sea Org,in six years, Flagship Apollo,RPF, her storyNine Lives in COS
Norbert Potthoff Spokesperson until 1987, Düsseldorf Org
Bevan Preece OTIII , Cl IV,resignation letter to COS,name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Skip Press – now a journalist
Karen [Schless] Pressley – left after 16 years, 9 years as staff member. Author of a book titled Escaping Scientology.
Jesse Prince -highest ranking officer in Scientology’s Sea Org, witness in Lisa McPherson trial

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Kathy Raine-left after 4 years, Her Affidavit
Roland Rashleigh -Berry-left after 5 years-What is Scientology?
Marty Rathbun – in for over 27 years, top exec- still practicing and auditing,St.Petersburg Times Article SP Times
Christopher Reeve – actor, his story, deceased
Dede Reisdorf -Panorama Video
Lee Reynolds – staff secretarty treasury
Nelly Reziga (France, plaintiff in May 25, 2009 trial)
Adrian Ribolla -resignation letter to COS ,name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4link
Mike Rinder -CO OSA Int, St. Petersburg Times Article
Nick Robinson Interview Scientology The Now Religion
John Roderick Lester-left after 12 years,PRD Class IV, denied internship, Full pre NOTs OT VII plus audited NOTs etc., London & East Grinstead, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Otto Roos
Ken Rose
Annie Rosenblum -Sea Org, RPF, her testimony
Glover Rowe -D. M. D.,Dentist joined through Sterling Management, him and wife held against their will, testimony
Dee Rowe . through Sterling Managenent, her and husband held against her will, testimony
Martin Ruston

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Martin Samuels
Catarina Sandstrom Pamnell – Sea Org,DPF her website
Maggie Saunders-declared, her story
Monica Saxon -Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Raymond Scapillato – France (book)
Garry L Scarff aka Smurf aka Xenusmurf (YouTube)
Paul David Schofield-left after 30 years,Cl V/FPRD Auditor, Cl IV/KTL & LOC C/S, Staff Status IV, Exec Status One, Professor,Sydney Australia,Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Carolyn Schofield – lost TWO daughters under COS care! her story
Homer Schomer -Treasury Secretary of ASI
Jeanette Schweitzer
Amy Scobee – Joined at age 14. In over 20 years as manager at the church’s international base in California. Built the network of Scientology Celebrity Centres[ Sp Times
Jane Scott
Adrienne Scott -resignation letter to COS,name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Perry Scott , story
Phil Scott -quotes
Dr. Donna Shannon – wife of Mike Henderson Panorama Interview, Radar Magazine Interview,Infinite Complacency Article, Abuse In The Sea Org
Michael Linn Shannon-Biography of L. Ron Hubbard
Vince Shlomi – SHAM WOW Fame,Took COS to court 2004,Gawker article
Miss Sieber -correct name?
Susan Simmel
Paul Simmel – his story
Rose Simpson (Singer, Incredible String Band) was mayor of Aberystwyth, Wales after blowing,
Tim Skog -left after 10 years, former GO/OSA
Kathryn Smith -left after 18 years,Class IV, OTII,Los Angeles,Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Tom Smith
Cheryl Sola -left after 13 years, her story
Attila Sonkoly – Ex -SO left after 17 yrs
Thomas Henry Sørensen – Guardian’s Office,his story OCB
Giacomo Sotgia
Alan Stafford -resignation letter to COS,name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Sharon Stainforth – her story
Allen Stanfield . In for 16 years, out for 9, his blog
Valerie Stansfield -Panorama video
Joyce Stephenson
Mac Stevens -Letter To Fellow Scientologists
Allan Stewart -resignation letter to COS,name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Alain Stoffen -France (book and lots of TV)
Chris J. Stone- blog,story
Laurel Sullivan – left after 15 years
Teresa Summers -her story
Claire Swazey
Dave Sweetland -disconnecton victim, Religious Shunning Public TV Interview 2003
Eugene David Sweetland Jr.,-original Davis Mission,left staff in 1980 “COSMOD”, story ESMB

T
Andre Tabayoyon -ex Sea Org, many positions, RPF, left after 22 years,Affidavit
Mary Tabayoyon -Member of the Sea Organisation for 21 years
Susan Talbot -Class V1 Auditor & C/S, There for 15 years, left because of the forced abortions & abuses.
Jerry Tannenbaum -Interview Scientology The Now religion
Aida Thomas -Spanish Class VIII Auditor, left after 20 years, MexicoInterview Global Issues and Answers
Rob Thomas- left after six years,ST Hat M1/HRD,Tampa, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Zane Thomas – Sea Org,imprisonment
Robert Thompson- left 30 years on and off,Grades, NED, Level 0, Course Sup,Ft. Lauderdale and Tampa, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Sue Thompson , aka Sue James or Henderson, telex op, left after thirty years, her story
Annie Tidman – ESMB
Michael Leonard Tilse -Sea Org, left after 27 years, his story
Lawrence Toomajan-left after 10 years,HAS, SSO,NY FDN, Flag, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Gunther Träger -a member for more than 20 years
Felicia Tyber -mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972
Gerald Tyber -mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972

U
Carmel Underwood – C/S, Power FSM, ED and active Scn’ist in Sydney ‘80-’98. “Left” Scn in ‘08, her story
Ken Urquhart , publically listed as a freezone auditor

V
La Venda Van Schaick -left after 9 years, Affidavit
Mona Vasquez – France (wrote books and Tv appearances)
Rose Velasco-left after 5 years,Life Repair,2PTS Course, lower level courses,Stevens Creek & Los Gatos, Scientology – Through the Door – InterviewsEnid Vien- her story
Shane Vincent
Tom Voltz -author of Scientology With(out) an End
Stephen Von Hatten -joned through Applied Scholastics, testimony
Astrid Von Rönn -more than 20 years, ethics officer,Truth About Scientology in German
Cyril Vosper -Fleft after 14 years,former senior officer scientologist, author of The Mind Benders – Scientology, interview, his story and interview
Peter Voßmerbäumer

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Melanie Wagner – ESKMB
Margery Wakefield -left after 12 years. Authored four books, Affidavit
Robert Wallace – 10 months-Staff- TTC- Dallas Org
Alan Walter -left after 20 years,quote from Time 1993
Edward Walters -SP Times Article 1982 Affidavit
Kelly Wasserman , ESMB
Kenny Wasserman – sued COS and won
Gary Watkins -Interview Scientology The Now Religion
Frank Watson , Canada,The Fifth Estate TV Report
Gary Weber – ex-member of the Guardian Office
Tom Weeks – Ex Sea Org
Barrie Weller -resignation letter to COS, name listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Mick Wenlock -Sea Org, left after 12 years. his story
Dean Wentling , left after 14 years, his story
Rhett Westerman
Pierre Wetzell , French TV Interview ,link to video
Jerry Whitfield – his story
Hana Whitfield- Affidavit
Wayne Whitney -deceased
Maurice William Johnson- court case, harrassed,his story
Gregory H Williams – OTIV,Scn contributor for 29 years,Flag Trained Supervisor,ianetics Auditor, ESMB
Richard Williams-left after 1 1/2 years,Purification Rundown and Book I auditing,Houston Dianetics, Celebrity Centre, Dallas, Scientology – Through the Door – Interviews
Sam Williams- left after 8 years off and on,took courses,L.A. ORG. AHSO FDN., Scientology – Through the Door – InterviewsHomer Wilson Smith -
Kendra Wiseman – ex Sea Org member-excientologykids.com
Karen Wolff – (also Karen Mitchell and Oram)Exscientologykids.com
Larry Wollersheim -left after 11 years, sued Scientology
Astra Woodcraft – ex Sea Org-exscientologkids.com
Lawrence Woodcraft – ex Sea Org member-interview and Freewinds
Zoe Woodcraft – ex Sea Org member-Interview and Affidavit
Bonnie Woods -former Sea Org staff member, OTIII,sued the church,wrote book, Deceived, Runs councel service for ex members
Richard Woods -public, husband of Bonnie Woods sued Scientology

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Scott Yeager -Affidavit
Antoine Young -exscientologist ,wants to hear from his daughter Ashley Brooke Young, who disconnected from him, his plea
Robert Vaughn Young -Public Relations Officer, left after 21 years-RPF, RPf’s RPF, testimony, deceased

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Sabrina Zimmer . Staff from 1994-2001. Declared.
Barbara Zizic -dentist, sued Scientolgy
Bill Zizic – dentist-sued Scientology
Margo Zumbrich -mentioned in Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972

*MESSAGE TO THOSE MEMBERS STILL IN: ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT AND YOU CAN TOO!
This list is incomplete and names will be continually added. These names are only the people who have spoken out. There are thousands more who left, and have not come foward to tell their story yet. And there are also hundreds more who spoke out who did not want their names known.

You can find them at

Scientology Through The Door Scientology – Through the Door – Introduction and at Ex-Scientology Kids

STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!
THEY SPOKE OUT AND YOU CAN TOO!

Source: Why We Protest forums

Creationist Dirty Tricks: Censorship on YouTube

For the past year or so, various YouTube channels have been the target of a campaign of censorship by Creationists. THis campaign has consisted of the following:

• filing false DMCA claims. Filing a false DMCA -wherein an person oo organization claims ownership of a video that they do not really own – is considered perjury and is illegal and the filer can face civil and criminal charges in a court of law;
• False flagging. YouTube has a flagging feature which allows users to mark a video as potentially unsuitable for minors to watch or could be a violation of YouTube’s Terms of Service. In theory, a YT moderator is supposed to actually look at the video to confirm this, but due to the large number of videos on the site, it appears that YT simply takes the flaggers’ word for it and marks the video without confirming its content. This has become common knowledge and is an often-used tactic;
• Down-rating comments. ThHis involves marking a videos comments with a “thumbs-down”. This used to involve marking only the comments that supported the video, but it is far easier to simply mark them all, so the person doing this doesn’t have to read the hundreds or thousands of comments that are posted;
• Marking comments as Spam. If comment rating is disabled, in order to protect them from the previous tactic, then a user can mark a comment as Spam. With enough marks, the comment is hidden from view, unless some one clicks on Reply. Due to the amount of time it takes to do this, many people might not take that step;
• Votebotting. This involves using a computer program to rate a video with One Star ratings, in order to prevent the video from appearing in search engines on YouTube. You simply run the program and it goes to each video several times, each time giving it a One Star rating. Supposedly, only registered users can rate a video, but there seems to be a glitch in YT’s system that does allow such programs to function without hinderance. As a result, even though a video may have only a few hundred views, it could still have thousands of One Star ratings. This has become the favored tactic of creationists in their fight against the pro-science (i.e. the side that explains the Theory of Evolution and debunks creationists’ claims) due to the total lack of legal consequences and YouTube’s lack of self-policing, as well as YouTube’s apparent lack of concern that this is even happening.

When YT users, such as Thunderf00t, posted videos calling for viewers to directyl contact YT to complain about the above tactics being used against their channels, YouTube would either ignore the complaints or would retaliate against the channel by suspending them or even closing their account permanently.

As such, the pro-science and atheist channels on YouTube have been censored and harassed with little or nothing they could do in response.

Few Christians have publicly condemned the above tactics being used, as it seeems to make their propagandizing on YT easier by eliminating the opposing side.

As pointed-out by YouTube user cdk007, this camapign of censorship only proves that creationists have no argument against evolution that can stand-up to scientific scrutiny and they must resort to dirty tricks in order to try to win the argument.

However, instead of “winning”, the usage of the above tactics and the failure of the general Christian community on YouTube to condemn them only shows that they have lost the debate and have nothing to bring to the table.

Here is a list of some of the hardest-hit channels on YouTube. feel free to watch their videos and subscribe, if you like:

Thunderf00t
AronRa
Potholer54
DonExodus2
ExtantDodo
AndromedasWake
dprjones
FFreeThinker
djarm67
ThetaOmega
JaguarJ0nes
ZOMGitsCriss
C0ct0pusPrime

These are just a few of the many channels hit by the censorship campaign. You will find links to other channels through them. You can also find a more complete list at the League of Reason webforum.

It seems that creationists have realized that they have no argument against science. So, they have decided to try to silence the opposing side through a cowardly censorship campaign.

PETA and President Obama

After President Barack Obama killed a fly during a TV interview, some media outlets contacted PETA to get their reaction. It wasn’t like somebody at PETA’s offices saw Obama kill the fly and said “OMFG!!!!”. No, several media companies actually thought that there was a story there and contacted PETA.

You can read PETA’s side of the issue here and here.

I immediately smelled a rat when I read those blogposts from PETA. It’s almost as if somebody – or a group of somebodies – is looking for anything and everything that they can use against Barack Obama and the fly-killing was just convenient. I’m guessing that if they can get PETA and other animal rights groups pissed-off enough at Obama, then they can look forward to Obama facing some kind of backlash from animal rights advocates.

But, seriously, who the fuck is going to march a picket line in support of flies’ right to life? Who the flying fuck is going to call Barack Obama “the Fly-Killer in-Chief”?

Honestly, who cares about flies? Not me and I doubt if most people do. I will grant that there are some Buddhists and Jains who do value all life, even that of insects. So, I could see if they might be upset. But, to most people on Planet Earth, flies are an annoying, disease-carrying pest that most of us kill at every opportunity that presents itself.

You could improve the standard of living in much of the Third World by passing-out free bug-zappers. Flies carry numerous diseases and, with more flies being killed, fewer people would get contract the diseases that those things carry.

This whole thing is Much Ado About Nothing. PETA isn’t going to picket the President or stage mass rallies in support of insect rights. It was most likely a bunch of right-wing media types trying to stir-up some shit that didn’t deserve being stirred-up.

However, I would like to piss-off Insect Rights supporters by publicly calling for everyone who reads this to vow to kill, at least, one fly everyday. You may also substitute a cockroach or similar insect. Please do not kill ladybugs, because they eat various insects that pester humans, so ladybugs are our friends.

In lieu of flies or cockroaches or for extra points, you may also slaughter centipedes, milipedes, venomous spiders (not the daddy longlegs) and scorpions. These are not insects, but they can be considered targets of opportunity.

The Healthcare Public Option: Truth vs Lies

TheYoungTurks is a liberal-leaning news channel on YouTube. They report on a lot of stories that are relevent to political discourse in the USA and around the world. They also report on Hollywood and celebrity news, along with a few stories that feature “who’s more attractive”-type stories. Altogether, it is a very enetertaining channel to subscribe to, although I think that conservative may not like them too much.

Their main website can be found here

http://www.theyoungturks.com/

Here are two of their most recent reports on a national healthvare system being proposed for the USA

The Truth

The Lies

Overall, I think the Young Turks channel is one of the most fun and informative channels that I subscribe to on YouTube.

Canadian National Healthcare System: Fact vs Fiction

TheRealNews is a valuable YouTube channel that reports news stories that may not get much exposure in the American mainstram media. I find most of their reports to be very informative and valuable for me to know about.

Here is a recent video debunking some of the myths about the Canadian healthcare system.

and another video on the same topic from October 2008.

You can visit their website here and even make a donation to help support their work of independent reporting.

http://therealnews.com/t/

Desertphile Debunking HHO Scammers

YouTube user Desertphile has devoted considerable time to debunking the claims of people who claim that they can use HHO/water-power to run their cars.

If you do a search of “HHO” in his videos, you’ll find more than 40 videos of him debunking the claims of people who claim to be able to run their cars on water, HHO or who use some sort of phony “gasoline-saving” device, which really don’t work. He has even put out a challenge for anyone who claims to be able to get increased miles per gallon with their homemade device. Few such people have accepted his challenge and those who do usually include additional requirements that he fulfill. However, since it was Desertphile who issued the challenge, anyone who accepts has to adhere to the rules he has setdown. Additionally, he has challnged any of these inventors to have their devices tested by a US government-run facility or even by the James Randi Educational Foundation. So far, none have taken him up on it.

In these hard economic times, it isn’t surprising that some unscrupulous people will come out of the woodwork with inventions thay claim to have designed and built, offering people the chance to save precious dollars on gasoline. What people who fall for this scam often fail to realize is that  even if the device works, which they don’t – they will have to drive for weeks or months, expending hundreds of gallons of gasoline, before they device pays for itself and they can finally begin saving money.

I’m no engineer, so I have a hard time understanding much of what Desertphile explains in his videos debunking these scammers. However, he does his best to explain it to such an extent that I can see the points he is bringing-up and understand, basically, what he is talking about.

Essentially, his points boildown to this: if these devices really worked, then trucking firms and local governments would be buying them up in order to save what little money they have. This is especially true of truckers, who have to save as much money as possible in shipping goods across the states and across the country. This is one reason why truckers drive for extended periods of time, often at the risk of their own lives. If truckers could save money by using these devices, then truckers could get more sleep and the safety of the job would be increased.

All these inventors would have to do is take their devices to a government testing facility, get the results and show them to anyone and everyone who is looking into saving money on gasoline. SInce they refuse to have their devices tested, they usually settle for selling their junk on late-night infomercials or via a YouTube video.

Desertphile is one of my favorite YouTubers. He pulls no punches in his condemnation of frauds and scams. This includes his comments regarding Scientology, creationism, HHO, censorship issues and other things.

Four of my favorite videos are of him cooking various things with chilli peppers.

“9/11 Truth” Conspiracies Debunked, Part Four

I received several replies to previous entries from “Terry Conspiracy” -who I suspect of being Alex Jones or some one who knows him, since he keeps trying to plug Jones’ website in his replies, even though I delete that part – and his replies consist of a mixture of personal insults directed at me, as well as repeats of previous 9/11 Truther misinformation.

Rather than allow him to dominate the reply section of my blog, much the same way as Colloidal Silver proponents tried to do when I wrote about that, I’m going to reply to some of his points here.

It is obvious to me that Terry has never taken the time to watch any of the videos I have linked to in previous entries. It is apparent that he is fully convinced of a conspiracy and will not entertain even the possibility that he is wrong.

 

Thermite and Thermate 

 

Nano Thermite: the “scientific paper” which is mentioned by 9/11 conspiracists is actually a Open Access website, which bills itself as a scientific journal. The very fact that this “scientific paper” has not been quoted in any other science journal doesn’t bode well for its accuracy. The OA journal, mentioned in a previous blog, is never quoted by other science journals. In the scientific community, if your paper doesn’t get read, it has no value. If it doesn’t get quoted by other researchers, it is pointless to publish there in the first place. The big hue and cry over this paper is that it tells conspiracists what they want to hear. Never mind all the scientists and engineers who present findings to the contrary, this one paper is all they want to hear about. Thermite was used by the cleanup crews to remove the large metal pieces of the structures that could not be removed as a whole pice. The claim that thermite brought the towers down is not backed-up by survivors, who would have seen thermite burning, as well as the large amount of smoke.

Thermate residue: okay, thermite-theorists say that residue from thermite was found on-site, ergo thermite was used. It goes like this: if A, B, C, and D are all components of X, then X was definitely present. This may be true only if A,B,C and D could come from no other source. Let’s go through what the components of thermite would be and see if there could have been other sources from the WTC site.

Thermate ingrediants and their likely sources from WTC:

1. iron: found in paint and electronic devices;
2. sulphur: the third most common construction material in the WTC was gypsum-based drywall, which is 18.62% sulphur.
3. aluminum: WTC facade, the 767s and vehicles;
4. potassium: used in concrete;
5. manganese: used in structural steel, paint, batteries and ceramics;
6. flourine: used in Freon and 200,000 lbs of Freon cooled the WTC complex, which was the largest air-conditioning system in the USA;
7. titanium: used in paper and paint, which were very common at the WTC. Both 767s used in the attacks were 2% titanium and WTC7 was clad in polished steel and titanium;

So, all seven items from this list were already common at the WTC site prior to the attacks.

About 2 billion pounds of dust covered Lower Manhatten after 9/11. Steven Jones, one of the authors of the “study” estimated that it would have taken 1000 pounds of thermate to bring down each tower, for a total of 3000 pounds of thermate. Since thermate is 2% sulphur. that means 60 pounds of sulphur would be used. Based on Jones’ estimates, the WTC dust would have consisted of 0.000003% sulphur. But, USGC tests showed that the dust consisted of 5.4% sulphur. Where did all that extra sulphur come from?

Okay, if you assume that thermate was used to bring down the towers, then a good way to make that conclusion would be to find the residue of thermate in the WTC dust. This residue is only caused by the use of thermate and there would be no other way to explain its presence. The two main byproducts of thermate use are:

1. aluminum oxide (41%)
2. barium nitrate (29%)

What shootsdown the idea that thermate was used to bring down the towers is that neither of these elements was found either by the USGS or by Steven Jones himself. Finding aluminum is not the same as finding aluminum oxide, which has three oxygen atoms.

So, while we can find all seven component elements of thermate at the WTC site, we can easily explain their presence. However, 9/11 Truthers cannot explain the absence of the residue of thermate use at the site. If they could not find aluminum oxide and barium nitrate at the WTC site, then no thermate use occurred. It would be impossible to use thermate to bringdown the WTC towers without leaving traces of these two elements.

Lack of aluminum oxide + lack of barium nitrate = no thermate used at WTC.

Attack on the Pentagon on 9/11

I know I’m wasting my time expecting Terry to watch a video, since he obviously never has. But, you can see the actual damage caused by the 757 as it made its way to the Pentagon, which included:

1. knocking down a lamp post, which damaged a taxi cab;
2. knocked down another lamp pole, which fell near some trees;
3. a third lamp pole being struck caused the light fixture to enter starboard engine intake;
4. a fourth lightpole was struck, which caused the engine to billow smoke;
5. a fifth lampost was struck and knocked-down; and
6. a generator and ground structure were struck and damaged right before the plane hit the building.

All of these are outlined, along with photographs in the following video

If the Pentagon were hit by a missle, as conspiracists like to claim, then how did a missle knockdown all those lamposts, the generator and the ground structure? A missle would have bypassed all of these and simply hit the building.

Despite what 9/11 Truthers claim, there was a lot of  wreckage found at the site of the attack, including airplane debris and personal items of the passengers. Pieces of the 75 fouund after the attack included portions of the fuselage, landing gear, doors, engine parts, and the cockpit.

As far as the damage to the building, as compared to the actual size of the jet, the body of a 757 measures 12 feet, four inches wide. Measurements of the hole indicate that it is about 18 feet wide. Considering how the plane entered the building at an angle, the proportions match-up pretty well. Damage from the wings impacting the Pentagon can be seen in the video linked above.

Despite claims that the building wall is 9 feet of reinforced concrete, the exterior wall is actually only 18 inches thick at the impact site.

Conclusion

You know, I could go on all day with this. But, I don’t have the inclination or time.

Conspiracy theorists believe what they want anmd will not accept any evidence to the contrary. I would like to respond to this statement from Terry Conspiracy

spyderblog, you should retract & apologize or lose all credibility in my eyes.

Terry, in my eyes, you don’t have any credibility of any kind. You refused to watch any of the videos whose links I have provided and I think you were simply looking for a new convert to your cause. You people cherry-pick isolated items and tout them as evidence, when they really aren’t evidence.

I will not retract and I have nothing to apologize for, to you or anyone else.

Believe what you want, but I think the 9/11 “Truth” movement is losing steam and will hopefully soon be relegated along with the conspiracy theories of reptile men and fake moon landings.

Right-Wing Violence In the News

A few days ago, Dr George Tiller was killed. Just yesterday, a white supremicist went on a shooting rampage at the Holocaust Museum and killed one of the guards. According to a recent report from the Department of Homeland Security, they saw three kinds of right-wing violence likey to occur in the near future, all of which have come to pass:

1. Anti-abortion (killing doctors who perform abortions and destroying clinics);
2. Anti-Semitic (targeting of Jews both as individuals and their establishments, as well as anything connected to the Jewish people); and
3. Anti-government (including the murder of police officers).

All three have occured in the past weeks and months. I also want to mention the recent murders of police officers, including one incident caused by some nutcase who was afraid that the government was going to take his guns away and he ended-up killing some cops after they tried to arrest him.

After the election of Barack Obama, reports surfaced that white supremicist and white nationalist groups increased both in numbers and enrollments. Even during the election, it was reported that Obama had been the target of more death threats than any other Presidential candidate in recent history.

What makes this so much more unbelievable is that, years ago, the right-wing was usually defined as the “more patriotic” part of the polictical spectrum, with the left-wing perceived as anti-government. However, most left-wing violence abated in the 1970s, with the exception of parts of the environmental movement, such as the ELF and ALF.

Doctors who perform abortions have to wear bulletproof vests and be escorted by armed guards, while the leaders of the anti-abortion movement walk-around freely. For the most part, Christian churches seldom have to worry about being targeted by shootings or bombings, while synagogues and some mosques have to keep their minds on  being safe from such things.

Right wing ideologues can speak-out in favor of killing doctors and bombing clinics, fully protected by the First Amendment, as long as they exercise care in not specifically saying that a certain person or place should be targeted, but fully embracing the idea that such attacks are justifiable.

Not that the left-wing is much better, at times. While most environmentalists are nonviolent, I have seen and heard many fully supporting the actions of Sea Shepherd, the ELF and ALF. The major difference is that environmentalist violence hasn’t resulted in the death of a single person. Left-wing radicals aren’t known to stockpile guns and bombs, while right-wing radicals are known for this.

I have placed myself on certain peoples’ enemies list by condemning both sides when they use violence.

It isn’t only wrong when “the other side” uses violence. In a civilized society, violence has no place in deciding which side is right and should prevail.

This isn’t like 100 years ago, when radicals with plans of violence had to meet in basements and back rooms. Now, they can network over the Internet in relative safety. Most of them are aware of being monitored by the Federal and State authorities, so they are far more careful than their predeccesors were in earlier times.

The 9/11 conspiracies serve a role in all this too. They can be used by both sides to “prove” that the government is evil and that secret cabals are in control of the world. Strange how you hear both sides using this issue to support their respective causes. After my previous blogs on the 9/11 issue, when I posted links to videos, people who believe in these conspiracies sent links to movies for me to watch. While I watched their films, they chose not to watch mine. As a result, I got the distinct impression that some of them are so into their beliefs that they will not even begin to entertain the notion that they might be wrong. For my part, I’ve watch a lot of movies put-out by conspiracists, including Loose Change and Zeitgeist. I’m not afraid to watch a movie, but I think the 9/11 Truthers are afraid to do the same. The same goes for animal rights supporters who refuse to see the real value of animal research. I compare them all to Flat Earthers who refuse to even consider that the Earth might be round, despite all the evidence to that effect.

Some people just don’t want to be convinced and prefer to believe what they want.

I got a bit of amusement when I heard the heated exchange between Alex Jones of infowars, screaming at Mike Delaney from prothink. Delaney wants to blame the Jews for everything, while Jones wants to blame the Arabs. As a result, Delaney thinks Jones is a Jew or, at least, a Zionist. Personally, I think both sides of that argument need some serious psychological help. I even watched the movie Missing Links that Delaney put-out. Good production of the film, though the audio sucked. Well, at least they can make movies that don’t look like they were done on the family camcorder.

All these conspiracy movies I’ve watched and yet, I still haven’t seen the new Star Trek or Terminator Salvation. How pathetic is that?

While healthy discussion is always good for a democracy. It doesn’t bode well when either side begins to either use violence or excuse its use.